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1 year ago
You forgot batteries: One big thing that some sites mentioned was that the Air doesn't have a user-replacable battery. It can be switched by an Apple tech but that;s only for when it dies. The eee on the other hand has a user-switchable battery. I can imagine it being very useful when you;re on the road (where you will be taking these things) and need an extra battery or two. Asus is also coming out with six-cell batteries which will probably last quite a bit. The eee doesn't sleep well though; if the Air can sleep as well as a regular Macbook it'd be really, really great. I'd imagine that at some point some crazy Linux god will come out with a fix for the eee sleep issue though.
The thing about the Air is that it is the ONLy Mac "subnotebook". One of my coworkers travel a hell of a lot and needs a Mac, so he bought one yesterday. (He also buys things like airplanes and horses, so he's in a completely different market than a lot of people. Or, rather, he's in Apple's target market.) Macs do intergrate much better than Linux does in small organizations.
My take: I'd feel less guilty dropping or putting stickers on an eee.
1 year ago
It is also possible and inexpensive to use a SDHC memory card as a "permanent" solid state drive upgrade. The eee supports SDHC cards in the provided slot, probably up to 256GB; which aren't available on the market yet - largest commonly available is 16GB.
I was waiting for Apple's announcement before committing one way or another; the MacBook Air convinced me to keep my MacBook Pro and add an eee for now. Maybe next year Apple will be on the bleeding edge with OLED display and WIMAX support; the Air is more of an admittedly elegant packaging job.
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I get it, Linux is so amazing you can install it on a toaster. Get over yourselves. The Air is obviously made for a different crowd.
And don't kid yourselves–Leopard isn't really a memory hog. I've got it running fast on an old PPC 1.3 GHz iBook with no problems (of course my processor IS faster than the Eee...).
The Air has a full size keyboard, a screen that's nearly twice as big, an (optional) processor that's four times as fast (remember, it's a Core2Duo), four times the STANDARD memory, and a hard drive that's 20 to 40 times larger.
Oh, and I noticed you conveniently left out how you lose a significant chunk of that overwhelming "2-4 GBs" to all the preinstalled software and the OS. My $20 jump drive has more memory than your computer.
Simple fact is, the Eee was made by people who were trying to make a machine as portable as possible.
The Air was made by people who were trying to make a machine as portable AND USABLE as possible.
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a full fledged C2D compared to a 900 celeron? i think i know where the bottle-neck is (and its not the drive)...
i personally think the two devices are designed for quite different purposes, so i'm not sure if its that useful to 'compare' these two. its better just to say which one is better suited for what kind of tasks.
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Don't you find it funny trying to justify a computer that is the jack of everything but king of nothing except for thinness?
1 year ago
900 mhz processor? The air's power is nearly 4 times that, with a 1.4 ghz dual core chip.
7 inch screen? Thats nice, if I have no muscles in my body. Then i can lay on the ground, and slide it up real close to my face. From that angel, its like being in a movie theater!
Additionally, the keyboard cant be any larger than the screen. I dont know about you guys, but when i place my hands at a comfortable distance apart on the keyboard, its a lot longer than 7 inches.
Next is hard drive capacity. With the air at a slim 80 gb, or the option of a blazing fast 64 gb SOLID STATE hard drive. Solid state means instant access to your information. No reading from a scratchable, crashable disc. But i suppose its unfair to not mention the whopping 4 gigs of flash memory in the EEE. What do they think people are going to be using this for? Web browsing? Text editing? for 100 dollars less, you can buy an ipod with storage space two times larger than that. The ipod can access the internet, take down notes, and is only a fraction of the size.
For your next review, why don't you guys compare a car with a tricycle? I can see it now: "Get a car if you are really concerned with style. Buy a tricycle for safety and affordability."
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power: air
portability: eee
price: eee
something I don't mind throwing into the back seat of my car without a carrying case: eee!
1 year ago
eeePC/Air
Price: $399/$3200 = ratio of 0.125
HD: 8gb/64gb = ratio of 0.125
RAM: 512mb/2048mb = ratio of 0.25
Screen: 7inch/13.3inch = ratio of 0.5
CPU: 900mhz Celery/1.8Mhz C2Duo = 0.25 (900/3600)
Weight: 2lb/3lb = 0.67
So in all, for one eigth of the price, you get a one eigth of the disk space, a quarter of the ram, half the screen size, a quarter of the cpu power, and only two thirds the weight. That means the Asus eeePC is a pretty good deal all things considered.
1 year ago
Just in case you missed..
The 2G has a 800 MHz Celeron M underclocked to 517 MHz and the models with the 900Mhz Celeron M is underclocked to 630Mhz. Also the 2G has no level 2 cache. Please note that the battery life figures provided by Asus is with these default clock speeds.
Asus has said that future revisions of the eeePC will have the RAM soldered onto the motherboard and that they will be cutting down on the mini-pci slots.
1 year ago
he isnt comparing apple with another apple...he's comparing apple with EEE pc...lol...but neways...macs have always been overpriced...so if this doesnt fit ur budget...go buy something else...ppl who buy macs...will buy this...not everybody but some of them...so eh
i'd go for a customized laptop...like asus notebooks, ibuypower or cyberpowerpc...but then thats me
1 year ago
I believe that is what is known these days as a "wide stance".
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How much does Asus pay you to write these botched articles??
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So, allow me to present a slightly different take on it all.
MacBook Air:
As someone earlier noted: the only advantage the Air has is that it's stylish. If your primary purchase criterion is looking good and having lots of 'ooooh' power, the Air is for you. Otherwise, you might want to give it a second thought.
Even if MacOS X if your critical feature, you might want to think about a MacBook or MacBook Pro. They both represent far, far better price/performance points.
A lot is being made of 'less is more' but there's a flaw in that mindset that's inarguable: no one is forcing you to use a feature. If you feel you can live with wireless only - no one is standing there with a gun at your head forcing you to stick a cable in the RJ45 connector.
On the OTHER hand, if you're in an office with no WiFi - not exactly an uncommon situation, not having that connector is death. Yes, you can buy a dongle - but now you're arguing that your laptop is inadequate for your needs.
You can't have it both ways.
Either you need it or you don't. If you don't, then you can't argue you can 'fill in' with external peripherals because this makes the slim, lightweight laptop not so slim and not so lightweight.
If you DO need it, then design it in from the start so I don't need to lugs all the EXTRA plastic and hardware to make it work.
The Air has many compromises - and even more strangely - some arbitrary decisions that clearly have been made in order to preserve 'slim' rather than 'useful' - like the battery. It should have been possible to make the battery removable without adding much to the size of the device, but they chose not to.
In the end, this isn't even a Mac/PC discussion. It's practical vs stylish.
And if you're amenable to Windows, then the field gets MUCH wider. There are MANY ultraportable PCs out there.
[PS: People who like to brag that Macs are the only computers that can run Windows, MacOS and Linux might want to think a moment and realise that this is not because of the hardware - but because Apple intentionally crippled MacOS X with DRM that prevents it from running on anything but Macs.
If you can argue that running any OS makes Macs the better hardware, then you have to concede that Windows - by virtue of running on any hardware - is the better OS... (Or Linux for the same reason). Again - you can't have it both ways... :)]
The Eee:
I had an Eee for a day. Almost kept it. But in the end there were a number of critical issues. The screen resolution really is too low for things like web browsing. While the memory can be upgraded, the SSD puts hard limits on both the kinds of OSes and the sizes of them.
SSDs wears out much faster than HDs do, so you cannot risk things like swap files. In fact, the Linux they have on it has been tuned to run without a swap file. This is one reason Windows isn't safe on this machine, since it relies heavily on swap file.
That directly affects what and how you use the Eee. Most people will use it as a very powerful PDA... and that's a good thing. I see the Eee and the start of the transition away from XScale/ARM PDAs to x86 based systems that are capable of running essentially the same software desktop systems can.
1 year ago
Your ratios are only true if you opt for the $1000 solid-state drive in the MacBook Air. Here's a similar assessment, using the cheaper model with 1.6 GHz CPU and 80 GB drive:
Price: $399/$1799 = ratio of 0.22
HD: 8gb/80gb = ratio of 0.1
As Jon mentioned above, the 900 MHz Eees are actually underclocked to 630 Mhz, so comparing clock speeds, we get: 630 Mhz/1600 MHz (x2) = ratio of .2
Also, the screens should be measured in pixels, not inches.
Eee's screen: 384,000 pixels (800 x 480)
Air's screen: 1,024,000 pixels (1,280 x 800)
ratio = 0.375
So in all, for a little more than four times the price, you get ten times the disk space, four times the ram, 167% more screen real estate, five times the cpu power, and only one pound heavier. That means the MacBook Air is a pretty good deal, all things considered.
1 year ago
Ipod Harddrives are ungodly slow. Eee has a SSD. Solid State drive. I stripped all the bloat from XP and got it down to 500 megs installed. It boots into windows as fast as my Q6600 with 36.7 Raptors in Raid-0.
The Air is a gimmick. It has no realistic market. the Sony Vaio's are slow, they have Vista pre-installed and are incredibly expensive.
Asus has sold over 350,000 Eee's since it was released 2 months ago. It is a bare-minimum, ultra-portable laptop that does everything you need for very low-cost. If you need storage, buy an external hard-drive. An 80 gig ipod drive is not what I want to put my entire system on. I have 2.2 terabytes in my media server, You don't buy a laptop for storage.
You don't use a Laptop for video-editing or image-editing. You use it for watching movies, reading emails, surfing the internet, doing basic computer functions in a small package. People are buying laptops to replace their desktops and it's idiotic... the will always be more expensive and slower at the same time. I have a 24" 1920 x 1200 monitor I paid $300 for... Q6600 Desktop ~$1100... it is built for HD Video Editing.
Eee is upgradable to 2GB of Ram, The stock Linux Kernal does not address more than 1GB, I grabbed a 2GB stick for $26... the battery is upgradable and replaceable...
The Air has no market, the Eee has a market... end of story.
1 year ago
Here's the reality. The MacBook Air is a two-seater sports car. Like it, want it, buy it, but it won't carry stuff in the trunk or back of the vehicle. Yes, that's called trading utility for style and sensory experience. Some people do, some people won't.
The EeePC is a scooter. Small engine. No windshield. Cute as hell. It'll will get you there, but you better not care about getting bugs in your teeth, or breaking down now and again, because both will happen.
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See: http://www.isights.org/2008/01/which-is-smalle....
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Michael Long: Your calculations do not reflect the real world usage of the Air. It's a mighty thin device, but also much longer than the Eee. That alone means it will be more inconvenient to place in bags than the Eee. And yes, the Eee will fit in a manilla envelope too ;)
Gear: You're right, the Air has a backlit keyboard just like the Macbook Pro. I have a Macbook Pro though and have never really found it all that useful. Also, the top end Eee models have webcams as well.
1 year ago
And as you admitted, the two notebooks serve distinctly different purposes... why are you even comparing them?
1 year ago
Mac Air was made to be light while still being up there with major laptop's from the dimensions its about the site of a school book which in actually has more places for it.
The eee PC is a low cost portable solution, it could be $50 cheap which much nicer usability if they hadn't put Xandros on it.
When comparing distro's Mac vs. Linux there is going to be things you will run into such as Mac's tend to be custom tailored so their performance is on the up and up at the same time they add alot of gloss which can weight down the machine. Linux has customizability to the nth degree so you can get one that takes 20MB of RAM to 300MB of RAM on boot.
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The 2 machines serve two completely different functions. I have an eee and find it's perfect for chucking into my bag and using it occasinally during the day to edit customer files, order stuff and have the occasional video call.
THe Air is a beautiful looking machine for people with more money than technical expertise and who like things that look nice. It'll do the job, it's more reliable than windows and it is light.
However, I think Apple are a bit arrogant with their "wireless for everything" approach. A laptop with no ethernet port? And ONE USB port? It's like a two seater sports car with the passenger seat removed to make it lighter! True, for most purposes it'll be fine, but it does lose a lot of flexibility.
1 year ago
To try to compare the two is like comparing apples (ha ha) with wheelbarrows. They kust aren't the same.
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But the eeePC kicked the Air´s butt in value, but of course!...but the Air is a great design coming next year to an OEM near you ;)
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The air is a very small laptop, agreed - but why not compare it to a NORMAL laptop. My laptop cost 1/3 of the price of the Air, has similar performance. It just isn't as thin.
If anyone is willing to spend THREE TIMES MORE, to make their laptop the thickness of a paperback book, they can be my guest. Personally I'll buy a normal laptop and use the rest for something other then style points.
"In the Air’s defense, it is priced competitively with the lowest priced Sony TZ ultraportable laptops while offering a bigger screen."
- I don't know about you guys in america, but unless you're totally getting ripped off compared to us in the UK, you can EASILY get an ultraportable for half the price, it's just not as thin. Who REALLY needs that extra half inch of space in their bag?
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Giving out the specs would have been enough, this is even more stupid than the n800/eee comparison.
Ok yeah let's make an apple air vs eee vs n810 vs panasonic let's note vs toshiba r400 right ?
I'd rather use google fight for that comparison.
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14.1" WXGA+ skärm 1440x900
NVIDIA® 8600M GT 512MB
2.10GHz Intel® Core™2 DUO T8100
2048DDR2 667MHz/PC5300 Ram
120GB 7200rpm. SATA
Size: 27mm X 341mm x 247mm
Weight: 2.35 kg
About half the price of an Air and better on all accounts except for a little bit thicker.
Anyone who buy a Mac for the hardware is stupid, there will always be cheaper hardware from competitors. Mac OS is what you pay for when buying a Mac.
1 year ago
Well, if a computer user wants a computer to go to places that thier normal pc would be to big to take with them, then they would want a pc thats light, small and efficient enuff to do this. Most probably this ultrportable pc would not be used for heavy duty pc work, but to do light tasks, perhaps surf the web, read or display light documents, etc.
Now by this definition does the Eee pc have what it takes to do the job, yes. Is it cheaper? Yes. So what does the Air offer thats going to be much better than the Eee. Only one thing, hdd space. Now how much space do you need to to lug around with you to these places where you would only want an ultraportable pc with you ? Geez i dunno but how much movies can you fit onto a 16gb SD card, and what else is there thats bigger than movies? unless you perhaps need your whole 40gb music library with you, it will be unlikely that you need much more space than 2 16gb SD cards.
Another thing, the Air is not that beautiful, its just a laptop thats thinner than usual.
Beautiful is a woman, not a thin metal case laptop.
One thing that is great though, is Apples marketing, people suck up all the hype. Im sure Steve jobs has all these mentors telling how to say what he says, sorta like a politician and his campaign helpers. LOL
one more thing, i would love to see the startup differences between these two machines, as well as startup of apps??
dont be fooled by marketing, think logically!
1 year ago
Maybe, but if I had an Eee I'd probably not buy an Air, and if I had an Air I'd not buy the Eee. Quite a lot of people will be interested in both and will only choose one.
So: they are quite different? Yes. They are competitors? Yes. Sort of.
Of course they will appeal differently to different people. Depending on the kind of work and habits you have, you may find it impossible to work on a 800x480 screen. And you probably would not want to do number crunching or long text typing on the Eee keyboard. On the other hand if you mostly write emails or short articles, why carry a big screen and keyboard with you all the time (and risk to break them)?
One is the smallest machine available, given a restraint: keep a standard keyboard and screen. The other is the smallest without this "limit", but with a price restraint instead.
Nevertheless they are two champs in their own fields, and both will move the whole industry.
Some people will buy the Air with no doubts, some will buy the Eee without thinking, but most of us will be in the middle, and will have to try to evaluate *how much* we value a keyboard and a screen..
So if you are considering the two (and you probably are or you would not be reading here..) just ask yourself if you need a full screen (1440 x 900) and a full keyboard, and how much time you'll spend reading and writing. And if that will be worth the weight (and cost).
And to all those thinking the Air will be a flop, all I may say is that it might be, but...
It surely is not the computer for me (for instance I'd need more ports like a Firewire), but please consider *why* Apple released such a computer? Do you really think all they wanted to do was cope with style and fashion? Then why not just make it smaller?
Don't you think they might have made some field research before?
What kind of machine you'd build if you had asked around to "normal" users what they'd not absolutely compromise in a notebook to make it smaller, and most of the users had replied "screen and keyboard"?
I bet it'd be very similar to the Air..
All you had to choose would be the target price: less expensive=more bulky like conventional laptops, more expensive= thinner, lighter (and Air like)
I am not sure this the best tactic, nor that they will sell many. Users give many things for granted, they may reply "I just want to type, all I need is screen and keyboard" but when they wach the specs they rant "Ohh, only 80GB?!?!"
Don't know, but at least it does make sense.. so let's see how the market goes..
1 year ago
The difference between the notebook business and the car business is that there aren't blogs that compare the Mini Cooper or Smart Fortwo with a Ford F350 pick'em up truck.
1 year ago
How loooonnnnnggggg do you spend looking at the outside of a laptop anyhow.
In a few years its the same hardware that you will beg someone to take off your hands, if you were the unlucky few to have been tricked into forking out money for a mediocre (designed) device.
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Install Vista on your eeePC? Why the hell would you want to do that to yourself?
So, you can install Leopard on your air. Is Leopard worth 1400 dollars to you? I dunno. Me? No thanks!
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The Eee and Air are compared because they are 2 ultraportable laptops that came out relatively at the same time, because they are both huge names currently in the computer world due to their unique designs, and because it is actually a choice to think about for a consumer.
My choice is the Eee pc, because I just need something I can bring around with me to class and things. I could go out and get a Blackberry, but it would be mighty hard to do my Java programming on one now wouldn't it?
It's true, the Air is a more powerful, sexier machine, however I don't see why I should have to pay so much extra for a better looking machine. If you're looking for something that is meant for the same thing as the Air, go look at other ultraportables.
I completely agree with the point that laptops should not be meant to replace desktops. Laptops have always been, and will continue to be for quite a while, inferior to desktops. And since when did your computer become a fashion statement? Isn't the point of a computer to "compute"? If you want to carry around something that looks pretty, go get yourself a designer handbag. It will probably cost less than the mac.
Don't get me wrong here, I love the look of the Air and of Mac OS, but I just can't justify paying almost $2k for a sleeker look, especially when the Eee is far more customizable (Linux, upgradeable RAM, replaceable battery).
All you Mac fanboys out there, just get a MacBook. Far cheaper, far more functional. Windows fanboys *looks under some rocks* go get one of the other fine ultraportables. The people who want a laptop for what it is meant to be for, get an Eee pc. Leave the Air for Paris Hilton. I'm sure she can shove her dog over 1.38" to make room in her handbag.
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The screen is 7", so what? If I want to watch a movie, I take my not-so-portable Asus A7T (a very good laptop), and I do so.
If I want to check my mails in less than 1 minute, I take my EEE.
At least, Steve Jobs gave me a great fun instant when I discovered all the mighty things we can do in a Air without WIFI... And I've kept it for jokes time with pals.
1 year ago
I used the 4g 701 all last quarter for taking notes in my community college classes. It works beautifully, holds up well to the book bag thrashing, battery hangs in there like a champ, and it fits comfortably on those nasty little desks, swivel stands, and is great in the wifi hotspots. The tiny footprint, tiny price, and ability to mod, swap os's (Ubuntu 7.10 with Compiz runs smoothly) makes this an easy choice for those of us using them for academic work. /shrug or you can spend $1800 and not have room on your desk for anything else, but you will look great, even if you can't make rent :)
1 year ago
I really wish I could make those wanker apple fanboys just vanish.
This whole "apples to apples" piece of crock; it IS a valid comparison! The macbook air is considered a piece of shite compared to a macbook or macbook pro, right? It's designed to be a system you use for some small tasks while traveling. So the EeePC does the same types of travelling tasks, but is cheaper, stronger, and more open.
It also has 3 USB ports for those roll-up keyboards, external mice, and usb sticks for when you're off the plane and in your hotel room.
For business users, having something like a VGA port is pretty nice when you want to use a projector... And ethernet for the secured wired networks in boardrooms when you can't get the wireless passwords.
Also, the next generation of the eeepcs will have a 9 inch screen, 12G of hard drive space, and a faster processor. Not to mention a larger track pad with multi-touch gestures.
You can also change the operating system to whatever you like, and when you install the modified eeepc ubuntu, you get a more functional desktop with better eye candy.
I'm sorry. If I want to watch movies on the go, I'd . . . still not get a macbook air. I'd get a portable dvd player. But for the basic functions you need when traveling, the Air is a bad compromise.
4 months ago